tag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:/discussions/suggestions/10053-no-copy-paste-images-anymore-in-studiesThe Mental Faculty: Discussion 2018-10-19T02:24:18Ztag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-23T07:22:23Z2016-02-23T07:22:24ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Hi,</p>
<p>I heavily relied in Mental Case on images.<br>
A PDF image is my first facet.<br>
I had a problem with Mental Case inability to resize copy-pasted
PDF's, but I found a way around by making the PDF bigger pasting it
in Keynote.<br>
I could then copy-paste that enlarged PDF into Mental Case.<br>
It had been stated that image resizing would be made easier in the
new MC version.</p>
<p>Now, what happens in Studies?<br>
1. No resizing options when PDF is pasted from Omnigraffle => it
remains an undersized image.<br>
2. IMPOSSIBLE to copy - paste the enlarged PDF from Keynote.
Studies simply doesn't allow me to do this anymore.</p>
<p>This seriously interrupts my workflow.<br>
For me, it's a huge setback.</p>
<p>I would truly appreciate a viable solution.</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T07:05:27Z2016-02-24T07:05:27ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Hi Peter,<br>
This is a bug we have just discovered. It is not a deliberate
change, and we should have the functionality back soon enough.<br>
For now, I suggest dragging images in, or using the built in screen
shot functionality to capture parts of your PDFs from another
app.<br>
Thanks for reporting the issue.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T09:17:31Z2016-02-24T09:17:33ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Ok. I'll wait...</p>
<p>Just a few more things :</p>
<ol>
<li>As I said, it had been stated in this forum, the option to
resize the imported images in the facets (like automatically
fullscreen) would be implemented in the "next" version, i.e. with
the release of Studies. Is this now possible?<br></li>
<li>What's the format of Studies' screenshot? It looks a bit
blurry, compared to PDF captures. Any way to have Studies capture
in PDF?<br></li>
<li>This might be a feature request, but instead of each time
manually drawing the screenshot window, would there be a way to
have a fixed size screenshot window I can hover over the area I
want to capture?</li>
</ol></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T09:25:06Z2016-02-24T09:25:06ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Hi Peter,</p>
<ol>
<li>Not quite sure what you mean by ‘resize the
images’. The slideshows should show them as big as possible,
I think. You can always use the quicklook (space bar) to look
closer.<br></li>
<li>We store most images as JPEG, to conserve space. This is
particularly important when syncing. It can be a 5-10 factor
difference in size.<br></li>
<li>Thanks for the feature request.</li>
</ol>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T12:22:32Z2016-02-24T12:22:34ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>hi,</p>
<ol>
<li>I joined a screenshot of a Studies facet with a dropped image,
resulting from an export from within omnigraffle.<br>
This is the default size I get in Studies.<br>
Not quite "as big as possible" as you can see...<br>
I would be quite happy if Studies could simply fill up the whole of
the facet with the imported image...<br></li>
<li>It would be nice to be able to give a choice to the enduser
concerning the file format of the ccreencaptures...</li>
</ol>
<p>Thanks<br>
Peter</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T12:26:19Z2016-02-24T12:26:19ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>I believe it is respecting the DPI set by OmniGraffle. What you
see on the screen is probably the size that OmniGraffle
intends.<br>
In any case, I agree it would be better to drop to screen
resolution, and have the image appear bigger.<br>
Can you send me that image? It would be good to have to test.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T13:55:40Z2016-02-24T13:55:42ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>here ya go.<br>
My workflow is :</p>
<ol>
<li>omnigraffle : copy past<br></li>
<li>preview : command - n (making pdf)<br></li>
<li>studies : drag and drop</li>
</ol></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T13:59:03Z2016-02-24T13:59:03ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>General question: Can you create other image types (eg PNG) with
omnigraffle? PDF is not a great image format. More for documents
and vector graphics.</p>
<p>In any case, I am going to look into it.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T14:00:34Z2016-02-24T14:00:34ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>When I open this PDF in Preview, it is small. It is the size you
showed in in the screenshot. In other words, it seems like Studies
is showing it at the ‘correct’ size.</p>
<p>An easy way to get a bigger image would be to zoom in with
Preview, and then use the screencapture to get the image.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T14:08:16Z2016-02-24T14:08:21ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>follow-up</p>
<p>I also include :<br>
the same PDF with width blown up to 30 cm, which fills the
facet.<br>
screenshot of this PDF inside Studies.</p>
<hr>
<p>ok, I just got notice of your 2 comments :</p>
<p>1 Can you create other image types (eg PNG) with
omnigraffle?<br>
Yes.<br>
The advantage of PDF is that it minimizes pixelation, secundo, I
can reduce its filesize by a ratio of 6 without any apparent
pixillation through specialized software, which is impossible with
png or jpg.</p>
<p>2 it seems like Studies is showing it at the
‘correct’ size.<br>
Yes.<br>
But why couldn't Studies let the image just "fill" the available
space of the facet, as I can do in about any other app handling
images (such as omnigraffle), at least manually...</p>
<p>3 An easy way to get a bigger image would be to zoom in with
Preview, and then use the screencapture to get the image.<br>
Well, as I said, my workaround is to blow up the size of the
picture to 30 cm width and paste this in Studies, which fills up
the screen, but that seems like an unnecessary step I have to
repeat every time...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T14:13:51Z2016-02-24T14:13:51ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>The downside of Studies increasing the size is that it becomes
blurry.<br>
I will see if we can add some special PDF handling to increase the
size, but again, a bitmap in a PDF that gets blown up will become
blurry (text will not, because it is vector).<br>
Why don’t we allow resizing like OmniGraffle? OmniGraffle is
a diagram creation program, so that is what it specialises in.
Adding that sort of functionality to Studies is probably not a
great idea. It is better to leave it to specialised apps like
OmniGraffle.<br>
The situation as it is now is that you get to choose how the image
looks. You can tweak it how you want. If we jump in and autoresize
it, you won’t have that control, and it could be either a
very big file, or become blurry.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T14:58:07Z2016-02-24T14:58:09ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>ok, that explains a lot.<br>
Guess I'll just have to stick with my manually oversizing PDF's
before getting them into Studies...<br>
At least it'd be welcome to get the copy-paste functionality
back.</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-24T15:04:03Z2016-02-24T15:04:03ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>The copy-paste has now been fixed. Will be in the next minor
update.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-26T15:17:18Z2016-02-26T15:17:19ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>ok, I'm adding a small follow-up, which might be due to the same
bug.<br>
Now on Studies it works when drag-and-dropping an image on the
facet.<br>
But, when exporting the stack as a .studyarch and importing it in
MC on iOS, the thus created facets don't show up. But when I import
the stack in MC on mac from Studies and then export as a MC2
archive, they DO show up in MC iOS.<br>
2B continued...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T09:38:02Z2016-02-27T09:38:02ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Well, I'll have to retract my previous statement, apparently
it's not that clear-cut : even when exporting as MC2 from within MC
after import from Studies, they don't show up all...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T09:47:51Z2016-02-27T09:47:51ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>So do you suspect that the studyarch is broken, or the
importing? It sounds like it sometimes works, correct? If so, the
studyarch is probably OK.<br>
I have a feeling iOS can’t actually handle PDF images, so
maybe that has something to do with it (?)</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T12:19:04Z2016-02-27T12:19:04ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>I have a feeling iOS can’t actually handle PDF images, so
maybe that has something to do with it (?)</p>
<p>Well, actually all my front facets ARE pdf images, as the ones I
uploaded, MC iOS never had a problem with that (just the resizing
issue).<br>
The only annoyance was that I had to pass through a third party app
to be able to import them in MC iOS, that's all.</p>
<p>So I suspect there's a problem with Studies' handling of
PDF's.<br>
As I said, on the Mac I can drag&drop PDF into Studies, so that
works, but the problem is the exporting of the stacks to import
them into MC iOS.</p>
<p>I'll try to give it another try this afternoon and give more
details.</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T12:39:21Z2016-02-27T12:39:21ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>If you use StudyArch, you can change the extension to zip and
unzip it. Then you can look to see if the images are there OK.</p>
<p>Otherwise, perhaps you can send me a problem archive, and I can
test it.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T14:52:26Z2016-02-27T14:52:26ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>ok, so I did...<br>
and I got a few surprises really.</p>
<p>I did two things : first exported from Studies to studyarch and
zipped-unzipped as you said.<br>
Secondly, I did the same thing this time exporting to .studies and
idem ditto.</p>
<p>Now:<br>
First of all, I found out that in both cases almost all my "PDFs"
are actually converted in .png in the unzipped study. This is how
it breaks down :</p>
<p>147 original PDFs</p>
<p>STUDYARCH<br>
PDF 17<br>
JPG 0<br>
PNG 131</p>
<p>STUDIES<br>
PDF 17<br>
JPG 147<br>
PNG 130</p>
<p>So this makes me wonder : is Studies not retaining the original
image format, but converting them? Either in .png and/or .jpg? I
guess it does. But even so, in the Studies archive the numbers are
at odds : it seems to have a double copy of each image : both in
jpg and png? Why so?</p>
<p>Why doesn't Studies just keep the original PDF?</p>
<p>The reason I use PDF is that an original screenshot is about 500
ko, which I can reduce to 100 ko without (almost) any pixelation.
Reconverting them to png increases the same image fivefold (to the
size of the original PDF), BUT introducing noticeable pixelation.
Thus, my archives become actually much bigger than needed (or
intended) and its original quality is degraded.<br>
Could Studies please just keep my original slimmed down PDFs?</p>
<p>I join the "converted" png and the original pdf, so you can zoom
in and check for yourself...<br>
Peter</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T14:54:59Z2016-02-27T14:55:02ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>attached files didn't show up so second try...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-02-27T15:00:34Z2016-02-27T15:00:34ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>The two copies I think are probably thumbnails. We use
thumbnails to speed up the UI, but I admit it needn’t be
exported. They should be small anyway.</p>
<p>Secondly, Studies converts to JPEG if possible. It can only do
this if the image is fully opaque, but if it can, it can save a lot
of space. Most libraries are 5 times smaller in Studies than in
Mental Case for this reason.</p>
<p>PNG is lossless format. It should not lose any quality at al,
assuming the resolution you are comparing is the same. JPEG has
lossy compression, so you don’t get exactly the same image
you put in.</p>
<p>PDFs are not supported on iOS as far as I recall. We have to
convert to get that to work, which is why more universal PNG and
JPEG image formats are used.</p>
<p>Keeping the original format is a lot more problematic in terms
of sync and library size, and that’s why we convert things
internally. We know that it will not take too much cloud space, and
it will appear fine on iOS.</p>
<p>(PDFs can be shown on iOS, but only in a PDF browser, not as
standard images.)</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-03-11T15:46:54Z2016-03-11T15:46:57ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Hi,</p>
<p>I'll get to your last answer shortly, but in the meantime I did
upgrade to the latest version of Studies (1.0.1) and the copy-paste
issue hasn't been solved, as had been stated it would be ...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-03-11T16:27:31Z2016-03-11T16:27:31ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>It’s fixed in 1.0.2, which was sent to Apple today. Should
be out next week.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-03-15T14:30:22Z2016-03-15T14:30:23ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>Hi, I'm quickly getting back to the image conversion
issue...</p>
<p>PDFs are not supported on iOS as far as I recall. We have to
convert to get that to work, which is why more universal PNG and
JPEG image formats are used.</p>
<p>=> I'm not a developer, but Googling yielded my some github
links that seem to make integration PDF's in an app possible :
<a href="https://github.com/mindbrix/UIImage-PDF">https://github.com/mindbrix/UIImage-PDF</a><br>
<a href="https://github.com/vfr/Reader">https://github.com/vfr/Reader</a></p>
<p>PNG is lossless format. It should not lose any quality at al,
assuming the resolution you are comparing is the same. JPEG has
lossy compression, so you don’t get exactly the same image
you put in.</p>
<p>=> Yes, but PNG makes a selection in the color gamut,
retaining only "web-safe colors", so it does alter the original
image.</p>
<p>Keeping the original format is a lot more problematic in terms
of sync and library size, and that’s why we convert things
internally.</p>
<p>=> Please check back the images I uploaded. The original PDFs
are compressed with iHQC technology, yielding small files with
almost no visual pixelation.<br>
When importing them in Studies, be they converted either in PNG or
JPG, two things happen :<br>
1. the size INCREASES fivefold<br>
2. the image is severely pixelised.<br>
So it's actually the contrary that's happening!</p>
<p>Please consider the possibility of retaining original PDFs.<br>
It doesn't seem to be a big deal to implement and it would keep my
thousands of flashcards at a reasonable size...</p></div>Peter Narkistag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-03-15T14:41:39Z2016-03-15T14:41:39ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>It is quite a big deal to implement though. You want me to pull
in thousands of lines of open source, unsupported software. I
happen to know the developer of one library you linked, and he has
gone to Apple, and will not be supporting the library now. Keeping
software stable is much harder than it looks. We deliberately stick
to Apple frameworks, because they get well supported.</p>
<p>There are other issues with PDFs. What about multiple page docs?
Do we just show the first page? It is not a format designed for
presenting single images.</p>
<p>You may be using specialized compression (is it even supported
on iOS?), but most people don’t. I haven’t had anyone
else ask for PDF support in this way, so it would be an awful lot
of work for a small number of people, and we have a lot bigger
issues to worry about at the moment. (Eg getting iOS app ready)</p>
<p>But I have heard the request, and if I hear it more from others,
it will move up the list.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/392378832016-03-15T14:49:02Z2016-03-15T14:49:03ZNo copy - paste images anymore in Studies?<div><p>We deliberately stick to Apple frameworks, because they get well
supported.</p>
<p>=> I can understand. But this link seems to give just that,
no ? <a href="https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/2DDrawing/Conceptual/DrawingPrintingiOS/GeneratingPDF/GeneratingPDF.html">
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/2DDrawing/Con...</a></p>
<p>You may be using specialized compression (is it even supported
on iOS?), but most people don’t.<br>
=> ok, but I mean, anyone who wants to compress any file format,
be it PNG or JPG will have to invest in third-party "specialized"
software, right ?</p></div>Peter Narkis