Note info for a Reversible note: "Last Studied"

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08 Apr, 2020 03:01 PM

For a Reversible note the info for "Next Scheduled" will display the next scheduled date for whichever of the two prompts comes first. Likewise, the info for "Last Studied" will display the date last studied for whichever of the two prompts is most recent.

However, If you change a note from a Reversible note to a note where only one of the facets is a prompt (by turning off one of the prompts), the "Next Scheduled" info will display the "Next Scheduled" date for the *selected* prompt, even if it is later than that of the other facet (now turned off as a prompt). This is, of course, useful and welcome. But the same is not true for "Last Studied". It will continue to show the most recent date studied for either facet. This is not useful to me.

So if you could please make it so that the "Last Studied" info changes to reflect the facet that is selected for a prompt in the same way that "Next Scheduled" does (when one of the prompt is turned off on a Reversible note), that would be a *great* help.

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by drewmccormack on 09 Apr, 2020 07:30 AM

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    This is a bit tricky. The information is correct, and this is how it was designed. Ie you changed the note setup, and this led the schedule to be reevaluated, and the schedule now reflects the current situation. At the same time, changing the note now does not change the fact that you studied the note in the past. We don't blow away all those old study events, and the Last Studied date does correctly show the last time you studied the note (regardless of facet order).

    So I would contend the two cases are slightly different, and the app is doing the right thing. It would be odd If it said "Last Studied last Tuesday", and you make a change to the note, and now it suddenly says "Last Studied last Monday".

    The app tries to give values that apply to the whole note, and not to a particular combination of facets. In this light, I think the values are as they should be.


  2. 2 Posted by zeppo on 09 Apr, 2020 12:49 PM

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    The app makes a change regarding "Next Scheduled" in order to provide relevant information. If it is too difficult for you to make the change to the code so that "Last Studied" also provides relevant information, I understand. Fine. But if it you are arguing about the logic of making a change, then you are wrong. Once the change is made, I don't care when I last studied the note with a prompt that is now turned off. I don't know why you argue such things when you don't even use the app. Try listening to your users. Geez. On the other hand, if it is for some reason a programming problem that is more difficult to implement than "Next Scheduled", okay.

    These reversible notes, by the way, are bad news to anyone using the app for long terms study and I would warn anyone against using them. If you are just studying for a class and will be done in a few months then they would be fine. My understanding is that the two facets of a Reversible Notes are to be function independently of each other as if they are two separate notes, but offers the time saving of only having to type out one note. But even if that is the intent it doesn't work out that way. I uncover lots of notes that somehow end up with due dates from the past that never updated when I turn off the first facet as a prompt. Just recently a lot from with 2016 and 2017 due dates. Not having the "Last Studied" dates displayed adjust to reflect the change in prompts the way "Next Scheduled" does only adds to the difficulty in filtering the notes that have not been functioning well. I have a large number of these Reversible Notes that I created before I realized the problems and stopped using them a couple of years ago.

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by drewmccormack on 09 Apr, 2020 12:59 PM

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    I use the app daily for language study.

    I am not just arguing for no reason. One thing we don't do is change history. What happened, happened. We record that fact. What you do now can affect the future, but not the past. That is my reasoning, and I find it completely valid.

    Changing this would be quite easy. We don't change it, because we don't think it is right to change it. I am not making excuses to get out of doing work. I don't agree with your argument. If I know I studied a note last Thursday, in any configuration, I would be very surprised if last Thursday was not the study date shown.

    Next scheduled is entirely different. It is the future. If I change my study schedule, I expect that will have an effect on when I next study. If I change what facet combinations are allowed, I can expect it to change for that too. You are completely missing the asymmetry between past and future.

    What you are describing with Reversible Notes sounds like some sort of bug. You should never change a feature like "Last Studied" just so you can workaround bugs. That is not the intent of the feature.

    I use reversible notes for all my language study. Work great for me. But perhaps there was a problem at some point and something has gone wrong with those ones you found broken.

  4. 4 Posted by zeppo on 09 Apr, 2020 01:05 PM

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    Explain to me if I change a note from Reversible to one where only the second facet is a prompt I would care one iota about when I last studied the note with the first facet as a prompt. What use is this now irrelevant information to me, particularly in comparison with the now very relevant information of the last time I studied with the current prompt? There is no comparison in the value of the two.

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by drewmccormack on 09 Apr, 2020 01:09 PM

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    You studied the note on that date. It doesn’t matter in what configuration. You studied that note. You can’t change history.

  6. 6 Posted by zeppo on 09 Apr, 2020 01:32 PM

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    Who cares about not being able to change the date of last time I studied the first facet as a prompt? It's irrelevant information. I don't care about the information. On the other hand, the last time I studied with the second facet as a prompt is useful info.

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by drewmccormack on 09 Apr, 2020 01:36 PM

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    If the date was “last time you studied this facet order”, I would agree. But as it stands, it is for the whole note, regardless of facet order. If we were to put any other date there, it would be patently false.

  8. 8 Posted by zeppo on 09 Apr, 2020 01:57 PM

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    Last Studied can mean whatever you designate it to mean. But, tell me, since the Recently Studied stack on my app has 2 cards last studied in February, 16 cards last studied in January, 2 last studied in 2019, and 6 last studied in 2018, why hasn't the same group of thought police that would bust down your door and drag you away for daring to designate Last Studied to mean the last time a card was studied in its current configuration come in and hauled you off for daring to deem January 2020 as "recent", much less 2018?

  9. Support Staff 9 Posted by drewmccormack on 09 Apr, 2020 02:32 PM

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    That is a much looser term, of course. Recent is open to interpretation. I would have to look at the implementation, but I think it is probably recent related to the other notes in the group. Either that, or some issue in the data is causing notes to show up there that shouldn’t.

    My recently studied is empty, and yet I study every day, so it seems something could be off there. Maybe Vlad can take a look...

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