tag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:/discussions/suggestions/2779-icloud-syncs-question-about-how-it-worksThe Mental Faculty: Discussion 2018-10-19T02:24:13Ztag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-08T08:12:58Z2013-07-08T08:12:58ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>The sync should automatically happen in the background. You
should not turn the sync off regularly. That would actually be
quite a bad situation, leading to lots of data transfer.<br>
You just turn it on, and it syncs in the background as needed. It
can do this quite often, for example, when something is
rescheduled, or when you create a new note, but it is not something
you should think about yourself.</p>
<p>Scheduling happens the same way on all devices, and they should
end up syncing your progress regardless of where you study the
slideshow. It is different to the older version in that
respect.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-08T12:50:43Z2013-07-08T12:50:43ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Thanks. This may explain the occasional lags in response I get
when I tap and option or swipe a card, as it may not response
immediately while that background sync is going.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-13T16:08:07Z2013-07-13T16:08:07ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>If ideally you are to set the iCloud Sync settings to "ON" on
all devices (including mac), and the syncing occurs periodically
and automatically on all devices, then how is this syncing
scheduled? Is it set to occur every so many minutes? Or does it set
to occur after certain types of activity on each device?</p>
<p>I wish there were a more "detailed" description of how
scheduling of dues notes and syncing across devises occurs. Here
are some questions I have.</p>
<p>I finished a Custom Slideshow of all due notes on my iPod.
Afterwards, there were zero showing due on that devise. Yet I had
my mac app running for a number of minutes, and it showed 185 notes
due. The mac also reflected an additional card in the total number
of cards because I created a card earlier on the desktop (within a
scheduled stack). Since creating that card, I have shut the desktop
app down completely and have restarted, and since that restart,
have also shut the iPod app down completely, reopened, and have
seen the sync running on my iPod. Yet the due notes on the iPod
still showed zero. Maybe five minutes later, I noticed the iPod app
finally did match the due note count of the mac, but the total card
count was still missing the new card that I had created on the
mac.</p>
<p>So scheduled due notes is syncing, but not the actual content of
notes. Is the syncing of content scheduled to happen on a different
time table than the syncing of scheduled due notes?.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-14T02:44:03Z2013-07-14T02:44:03ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Syncing will usually happen a minute of so after the file is
transferred by iCloud. We don't have much control over how long the
transfer takes.</p>
<p>Scheduling usually happens once a day, when you first wake your
device.</p>
<p>The scheduling and note content should transfer together.
Perhaps the scheduling happened before the note was made.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-14T05:12:16Z2013-07-14T05:12:16ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Well, my iPod's scheduling updated and changed from zero to 229
notes. However, total notes did not change and stands at 5572. On
the desktop app, the scheduled notes updated from zero to 230
notes, with total notes at 5573. The card I created using the
desktop app is the difference in the scheduled and total notes
between the desktop and the iPod. The sync is not working in
getting not only the new note to the iPod, but also some edits on
other cards I did as well.</p>
<p>I'm going to edit a card and add a card using the iPod and see
if the work syncs to the iCloud and the mac.</p>
<p>By the way, I have a suspicion that the issues with my iPod
crashing might have to do with either the fact that the previous
day's Due Notes had not been studied when the scheduling for the
next day updated, OR, that the Custom Slideshow of the previous
days Due Notes had not been completed when next day scheduling
occurred.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-14T14:55:11Z2013-07-14T14:55:11ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>The test card and teat edit of pre-existing card that I made
with the iPod did end up syncing over to the mac.</p>
<p>But the mac edits and new card still have not made it to the
iPod.</p>
<p>The sync is not working both ways.</p>
<p>I have 226 cards due on the mac. I hate studying on the desktop,
so I will try to get through a custom slideshow of All Due Notes on
the iPod, and then once done, do a manual update of scheduling
(cram method as you describe it) and hope that the due notes aren't
so many. If they aren't a lot, I'll then study them on the mac and
do a sync and see if then it sends the mac edits to the iPod.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-14T17:35:33Z2013-07-14T17:35:33ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Well, I finished studying on the iPod. The mac synced and showed
only one note due, which of course was the note I created earlier
on the mac that didn't transfer to the iPod. So this made it easy
to test things out as planned. I studied the note in a slide show
on the mac. Then allowed both to sync. Still no transfer of the
card created on the mac. Then I force updated all due notes on the
mac, afterwards showing 13 cards due. Allowed the mac to sync and
the iPod to sync. 13 cards now showing due on the iPod, but still
no transfer of the card created on the mac. I wouldn't think that
it should matter whether the card is due or not for it to transfer,
but figured I'd try it anyway.</p>
<p>There are no instructions on how to initially sync up the
devises to the cloud for the first time in terms of answering the
pop up question as to whether to keep the data on the mac/ipod or
on the cloud. I answered according to which had the most current
information when I originally did this. I trust that there is
nothing in that answer that means that all future automatic syncs
will perform the same way.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T01:37:10Z2013-07-15T01:37:10ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>I had a similar problem to this on my own Mac recently. It
occurred when I was testing, and continually turning the sync off
and on. I think iCloud gets overwhelmed with all the changes and
locks up.</p>
<p>The fix I found was to not only reset Mental Case, but to delete
the data for iCloud on the mac, and let it regenerate it from the
server.</p>
<p>First, turn iCloud off on all devices in the mental case
app.</p>
<p>Then, follow the link at the bottom of this post:<br>
<a href=
"https://mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com/kb/mental-case-for-ios/icloud-sync-is-not-working-help">
https://mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com/kb/mental-case-for-ios/icloud-s...</a></p>
<p>Look for the section of deleting the Ubiquity folder, and do
that. Restart the mac.</p>
<p>Then proceed with number 6 from the link above, turning on sync
in MC on the Mac first, waiting, and then doing the devices.</p>
<p>The upload should go fast because most data is already in
iCloud.</p>
<p>Your instinct over which data to keep was correct I would say.
Turn on Mac first, and on the devices, choose to keep the data from
iCloud. Wait for transfers to complete before doing the next
device.</p>
<p>If it works, don't switch the iCloud switch anymore. It puts a
lot of strain on iCloud.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T03:24:30Z2013-07-15T03:37:38ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>I think I almost misread what you said. When I turn on the mac
Cloud Sync, I assume it will ask me whether to keep the data from
iCloud or the mac, and in this case, I choose the mac (the cloud
won't have any data.) Then afterwards when I turn on the ipod, I
tell it to keep the data from the cloud.</p>
<p>From that point further, if everything is working, I can create
a card on the iPod or the mac and that card should be transferred
to the cloud, assuming I sync one to the cloud before switching to
studying on the other.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T03:45:22Z2013-07-15T03:45:22ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>One thing I don't understand right of the bat. Following your
advice above, the first thing I did is turn on my ipod , tapped
cloud sync, and then watched until it said the data was fully
updated Then I tapped to turn off the Sync via iCloud setting.</p>
<p>Immediately it then reports about 190 MBs to upload. It starts
gradually counting down this figure until it says once again "Cloud
data is fully updated."</p>
<p>Why when I turned of iCloud Sync does it apparently immediately
do just that?</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T03:52:57Z2013-07-15T03:52:57ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>You shouldn't worry too much about that. There is some data
transfer involved in turning off be sync.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T03:55:43Z2013-07-15T03:55:43ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>You are right. If you want to keep all your data, when you turn
on the iCloud sync on your mac, choose to keep the data from your
mac. That replaces the data in iCloud with the data from your mac,
and you will have your new note.</p>
<p>Only do this when you start syncing. You don't need to keep
turning syncing off and on again after that. Just leave it on.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-15T04:34:31Z2013-07-15T04:34:31ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Ok, it worked as far as getting the mac data over to the iPod.
Now I'll see how things go with the other issues. Things have been
going better on it. Eventually the time will come again when I
don't finish a Custom Slideshow of all Due Notes before midnight.
Last time this happened, the crashing started about 8 minutes after
midnight. I think that the scheduling update conflicts with the
unfinished lesson-- but that is just a hypothesis. But having
avoided this situation the last couple of days, I've also avoided
the crashing.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-16T01:05:24Z2013-07-16T01:07:31ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Well, it ended up letting me study only 50 notes of slideshow
for 100 due notes before crashing (shutting down). I sent the
report when it prompted. I was able to get thru the remainder. I
was able to get through the remainder without it shutting down on
me, though it did have a lot of stuttering and occasional lag time
in displaying the text of a prompt. I'm going to create a new test
card on the mac and see if it has issues again, but not until I let
it sync up for scheduling for a couple of days to see how it
handles it.</p>
<p>Aside from not transferring the cards created on the mac, it was
running pretty well it seemed before I cleared the Ubiquity file.
So maybe it just needs a few days to iron itself out. Though keep
in mind, my library file is less than 200MB (about 5600, text only
, two-faceted cards,)</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-16T04:00:09Z2013-07-16T04:00:09ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Can you remind me what type of device you are testing on? Older
devices have less memory and could shutdown if a background sync
was taking too much.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-16T11:03:59Z2013-07-16T11:03:59ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Apple MC544LL/A iPod Touch 32GB (4th Generation)</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-17T03:12:45Z2013-07-17T03:12:45ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>No problem with shutdowns during the study of the remainder.
Keyed a couple of edits of typos on notes using the desktop. Waited
a little while to make sure desktop had time to sync to cloud
first, then tapped icloud Sync on the iPod. The edits from the mac
did make it to the iPod. So that's good. However, the due note
count moved from zero to 98. Why would it have more due notes if
they are only supposed to schedule once a day and the last
scheduling took place after midnight about 22 hours ago? At that
time, I remember I had ninety-something due notes. Rather than sync
my last study session on the iPod over to the desktop, did it
instead sync the desktop over to the iPod, so that all the cards I
had just studied were now showing due again? I viewed the due
notes, and that indeed seems to be the case. I don't recognize a
single card among them that I didn't just study. Then I glance at
the desktop and it says zero notes due? Huh? Something's messed up.
So I keyed a test edit on a note using the iPod to see if it would
sync over to the desktop. Then I shut down both programs completely
and reopened to try to ensure some fresh syncs to the cloud. The
sync occurred because the card with the test edit did make it over
to the desktop. Yet the desktop still shows zero cards due (which
should be the accurate count) and the iPod is still showing 98 (as
if I never studied today).</p>
<p>This seems to be opposite to the problem before. The edits to
cards are syncing, but the due notes is messed up.</p>
<p>So I added a whole new test card using the desktop because I
knew it would schedule it as a due note right away, and I wanted to
see if it would trigger some synchronization between desktop and
iPod in the due note count. Nope. Now the desktop has one due note
and the iPod increased by one to 99 due.</p>
<p>Keeping at it, I chose to study all due notes on the desktop by
choosing Study>New Slideshow>All Due Notes. After studying,
the due note count went back to zero on the desktop. The due note
count on the iPod went back to 98.</p>
<p>I guess I'll see what happens when it schedules after
midnight.</p></div>zeppotag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-17T07:42:59Z2013-07-17T07:42:59ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>Argh. I think I know what has happened. Both devices scheduled
and made the notes due. They also added these changes to the sync
data.</p>
<p>But you studied the notes on the iPod before the mac changes
arrived. When you finished studying, the Mac received the slideshow
changes and made the notes undue. But the iPod received the
original changes from the Mac after the slideshow and made the
notes due again.</p>
<p>We thought this problem would be very rare, but it is more
likely when iCloud is very slow transferring data.</p>
<p>We will look to improve this. In the meantime, you might have to
go through the due notes on the iPod and make them undue again to
get things to sync up.</p>
<p>Drew</p></div>drewmccormacktag:mentalfaculty.tenderapp.com,2010-10-19:Comment/276579492013-07-18T03:43:58Z2013-07-18T03:43:58ZiCloud syncs -question about how it works<div><p>i went through the previously studied slideshow once again, and
this time it acknowledged my effort (so far) and then left me with
only the new set of due notes that were scheduled after midnight
early this morning. i studied those, and now I have no due notes.
The desktop is in sync and shows zero due as well. So everything
appears to be in order now. I will wait and see what happens with
the due notes that are scheduled tomorrow. No further crashing by
the way. I'll give it a couple of days of letting it schedule the
existing cards, and then try throwing in some new stacks.</p></div>zeppo